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On this week's podcast I speak to cognitive scientist, Professor Daniel T Willingham from the University of Virginia. We discuss learning to read, learning styles, multiple intelligences, education research and more. The full range of topics includes:

  • Applying the science of learning in school and at home
  • Paradigms of cognitive psychology (reasonable assumptions)
  • How cognitive science replaced behaviourism
  • How cognitive science might inform the teaching of different subjects across the curriculum
  • The relationship between basic science and applied science for teachers
  • Why an opportunity exists for teacher organisations to review science and provide periodic updates for teachers to critique ideas (such as say, grit).
  • Initial teacher education should provide a grounding in the science of learning and subsequently teachers’ knowledge needs to be updated as the science evolves (and why the onus for such updating should not be on individual teachers)
  • Among the few reliable publications for teachers he'd recommend are American Educator, and Phi Delta Kappan.
  • Evaluating the relative importance of technical competence (decoding) and motivation in learning to read.
  • The difference between reading a book and listening to an audio book (How prosody helps comprehension in audio books and how regressions help us in comprehending text) and why textbooks are different.
  • Can audiobooks help a child who is having difficulties learning to decode?
  • Criticism of the learning styles theory of the mind – there’s no scientific basis to pedagogies based on learning styles. Why style differs to memory and ability and the importance of meaning in learning. Learning styles may offer a different ways for a teacher to think about topics they’re going to teach.
  • The construct of mental ability and multiple intelligences. Is intelligence one single construct or is it several independent constructs?
  • Can critical thinking be taught? Can being a good critical thinker in one domain help you think critically in other domains? The importance of seeing the same underlying structure in various guises when practising critical thinking.
  • How he evaluates the value or potential contribution of a research article in education.
  • Contradictions in educational research – parallels with COVID-19 research. Why professional organisations need to tease out research implications for teachers.
  • Why he reads very broadly in education.
  • Daniel Willingham’s “2002-style” website. He’s on Facebook and Twitter @dtwillingham. His most recent books are Why don’t students like school (2nd out now) and Outsmart your brain (August 2022).

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Theme tune by David Vesey.

On podcast 420, I welcome back Stanford University School of Education Professor William (Bill) Damon who was one of the first guests on this year's schedule to discuss his new book, A round of golf with my father: The new psychology of exploring your past to make peace with your present. Among the topics  we discuss on this bonus episode are the following:

  • Different interpretations of what a life story is
  • Life Studies by Robert Lowell
  • Your intention for telling a life story
  • What a life review is and why it can be done at any stage of life
  • How William Damon adapted Robert Butler’s life review idea for his purpose.
  • How to go about doing a life review
    • Talk to people who remember your past
    • Records (school and others, ancestry searches)
    • Memory search
    • Putting it all together – focusing on what gave you satisfaction and fulfillment
  • Why he never met his father
  • How school records have changed since the 1950s.
  • How his father’s character developed over time, possibly through the demands and experiences of military service in World War II.
  • What he learned about his own character from doing the life review
  • Why character is a movie and not a snapshot
  • Why he believes that psychological theories such as some of Freud’s work and the “big five personality traits” are wrong
  • How he went about making a personal story interesting for an audience beyond his immediate circle of family and friends
  • How a life review can help you find a purpose in your life
  • How someone not looking for a purpose can find one
  • His mother’s role in his life review
  • His definition of purpose
  • His memories of being taught by some of the pioneering psychologists of the twentieth century, including Erik Erikson and Jerome Kagan who was a guest on Inside Education a few years ago: Podcast 1 and Podcast 2  and who passed away in May 2021.
  • Some of his earlier books: Some do care (with his wife, Anne Colby), Noble Purpose, The Moral Child and Greater Expectations.
  • Why he called the book A Round of Golf with my Father when he never met his father!


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On this week's podcast I speak to Deirdre Hodson who works in the European Commission’s department for Education, Youth, Sports and Culture in Brussels. She provides a European Union policy perspective on technology and sustainability in education. Among the topics we discuss are:

  • How she came to work in the area of digital education policy and her studies in the area
  • Ben Williamson
  • Neil Selwyn
  • How her studies contributed to her work as a policymaker
  • How the pandemic is likely to impact on policy and practice
  • The need for schools to have digital strategies
  • The importance of the school as a whole being the unit of change and of hearing the student voice
  • The difference between emergency remote teaching and online learning
  • How countries reaped the benefits of investment in digital resources in education during the pandemic
  • Asking what we can learn from remote teaching and learning as a result of the pandemic
  • Broadening the education infrastructure to include collaboration with libraries and museums
  • The origin, purpose and launch of the SELFIE diagnostic/planning tool she was involved in developing
  • How SELFIE has been used and a new SELFIE tool for teachers to be launched in October 2021.
  • Report on Artificial Intelligence in Education
  • Examples of interesting practices in digital education across Europe
  • An account of a visit to a school in Finland and the phenomenon-based learning and to one in Austria
  • Sustainability, digital technologies, accessibility and inclusion
  • Risks and threats of technology alongside opportunities (e.g. data protection; student and teacher agency)
  • Differences between aspects of a teacher’s job that are routine (e.g. marking) and those that are human (e.g. coaching and mentoring)
  • Neil Selwyn Should robots replace teachers?
  • Challenges of not being able to hold the regular Leaving Certificate examinations in 2020.
  • The value of learning languages
  • Erasmus and E-Twinning: Léargas
  • Neil Selwyn’s book Distrusting Educational Technology: Critical Questions for Changing Times

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In this podcast I explore the topic of education and autism by speaking to a classroom teacher, Graham Manning from Cork, and a university researcher, Professor Steffie van der Steen from the University of Groningen in the Netherlands.

Among the topics we discuss are:

  • How Graham became coordinator of classes for autistic students in school
  • The organisation with which Graham undertook training on helping students develop good sleeping habits.
  • How Steffie became interested in researching autism and the education of students with autism in the Netherlands.
  • The Salamanca Statement on special needs education:
  • Graham’s class arrangements from a student’s perspective
  • Different needs of autistic students from primary to secondary school
  • Graham’s problem with the United Nations Convention on the Rights of Persons with Disabilities and Inclusive Education in New Brunswick and that province's views on inclusion versus segregation
  • Excellence in practice: visiting homes of students who apply for the special class and managing transitions from primary to secondary school and from secondary to third level.
  • Graham referred to a quote widely attributed to Dr. Stephen Shore that “when you meet one person with autism, you’ve met one person with autism.”
  • Steffie’s research findings that are relevant for teachers: assessing young children on science concepts (Marble task and air pressure task); four categories of teachers’ needs in relation to teaching students with special needs: cooperation, academic tools, social aspects, reassurance for insecure newly qualified teachers; her hypothesis about the need to ask students both higher- and lower- order questions.
  • Students learned from years of experience with students with autism and getting to know them.
  • Lessons teachers can take from her experience of assessing young students with special education needs: variation in questions and hands-on tasks.
  • Classroom interactions in Graham’s class for autistic students (Building relationships, subject planning, spending time outdoors, making meals together in the “home room,” creating a safe space)
  • Steffie’s research (with her doctoral student, Lisette de Jonge-Hoekstra) on the relationship between children’s speech and their gestures when working on a task (including “gesture-speech mismatch)
  • Steffie on animal-assisted therapy for students with autism
  • Graham on why there are insufficient special classes in post-primary schools
  • Steffie recommends: https://scholar.google.com/.
  • Graham recommends The Reason I Jump by Naoki Higashida.


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This week my guest on the podcast is expert on assessment, feedback and academic integrity, Professor Phillip Dawson from Deakin University. Among the topics we discuss on the podcast are the following:

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On this week's podcast I speak to Professor Gregory Cajete from Santa Clara Pueblo and the University of New Mexico about indigenous education and what contemporary western education can learn from such rich traditions. Among the topics we discuss are:

  • Belonging to the Tewa tribe and what is particular about that tribe.
  • Numbers in different tribes such as the Navajo, Cherokee, the Hopi and the Tewa.
  • Being the first member of his family to attend public school
  • Previously native Americans would have attended federal boarding schools (created by Pratt), with a basic academic curriculum
  • Professor Cajete refers to “Charles Pratt” but this may be a mistaken reference to Richard Henry Pratt, to whom the expression “Kill the Indian, save the man” was attributed.
  • Tribal College Union established in the 1970s (36 colleges – like first and second year of colleges; giving 2-year degrees)
  • Defining indigenous education: Distinction between native American students attending US public schools (including the Bureau of Indian affair schools and religious denominational schools) – education as assimilation versus traditional indigenous education including stories, history, customs and language of the people.
  • Relationality as the basis of indigenous education – developing a relationship to the place in which we live
  • In indigenous education people ask the question, “how am I related to this?” versus the predominant “western” question “What is this?”
  • Currently attempts are being made to introduce native American language, culture and traditions into US public schools
  • Epistemology (how we come to know what we know) of indigenous education involves storytelling, ceremony, participation in community, rhythm and dance.
  • Axiology (what is the focus of/what has value in?) of indigenous education is about establishing a balanced relationship with your environment, including human and other-than-human entities; a place-based world view (based on where you live).
  • Logic of indigenous education is ecological and is one of balanced interdependence. It is part of an understanding that everything you do impacts everything around you.
  • The Lakota people say “We are all related.”
  • The “intractable conflict” between indigenous education and public school education in the United States
  • Why the curriculum focused on subject-matter is object-focused and parts-oriented whereas native education is ecological, sustainable and holistic.
  • Shortcomings of the subject-based curriculum include that it doesn’t teach for relationality or about the ecological mandate, the pre-requisite for sustainability; these are “specialised fields” whereas in indigenous education, you learn these from the day you’re born and reinforced consistently throughout one’s lifetime. Consequently you acquire a life-centred focus.
  • Many native artists are entrepreneurial while maintaining a traditional viewpoint. An economic focus is on benefiting the community, not just oneself.
  • Gary Nabhan is not native American but he writes about native forms of agriculture.
  • Enrique Salmón too has written on this topic.
  • Books Greg Cajete has written:
  • Values that underpin indigenous education
  • O. Wilson’s biophilic sensibility – caring and empathy for each other, caring and empathy for the natural world and caring and empathy for your soul
  • The indigenous stages of developmental learning; finding the essence of your soul.
  • Question: What does it mean to become a full human being? Chant: One must first find one’s face (you identity), one must then find one’s heart, finally one must find one’s foundation (what you stand on) in the context of relationship, responsibility, respect and resonance, with one’s self, one’s community, one’s place, then with one’s world, within the context of your relationship with the cosmos.

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On this week's episode I interview my long-time colleague and fellow vice-president of Marino Institute of Education on the topics of literacy and disadvantage and more. Among the topics we discuss during the podcast are the following:

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On this week's podcast I am joined by Professor Stefan Ward from Central Washington University who is currently a Fulbright Scholar in Dublin City University Institute of Education. Among the topics we discuss are:

  • His interest in positive youth development
  • How he became involved in Project Fun Direction and why it is important for young girls
  • What is physical literacy and how is it developed?
  • Physical education in schools in the United States
  • Why games such as Dodge Ball and relay races need to be removed from PE class
  • Specialist physical educators in the United States
  • The Irish physical education curriculum
  • What an effective PE lesson looks like (Moderate to vigorous activity; differentiated instruction; choice; reflection time)
  • Assessment in PE (physical, cognitive, affective)
  • Teaching physical education with minimal equipment (including planning for activities that require minimal equipment such as hiking, soccer).
  • Skill themes in primary and post-primary PE classes
  • Reducing risk of physical injury in PE class
  • Modifying games
  • Teaching physical education in all weathers or with limited facilities
  • Generic and sport-specific strategies for differentiating a physical education lesson, such as tennis: cooperative practice, modify game to make goal easier, award points for attempts, use different equipment – e.g. foam ball, different racquet, give choices for students to be successful at different levels.
  • Duties associated with his university role in the United States
  • Shape America
  • Positive Youth Development – self-determination theory (relatedness, competence and autonomy)
  • Bringing Student PE teachers to volunteer in sports camps abroad in Guam and in Ireland
  • Selecting candidates for a physical education teaching programme
  • Impactful teacher: Tom Martinek
  • Missy Parker
  • Teaching Personal and Social Responsibility
  • Book: Youth Development and Physical Activity

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In this episode my guest is Emeritus Professor John Hattie from the University of Melbourne. Among many other contributions to education, he has developed the idea of visible learning. Among the topics we discuss in the podcast are the following:

  • What Professor Hattie means by visible learning
  • How children don’t have the language to talk about their learning
  • Students learning from each other
  • The importance of asking students two questions: What does it mean to be a good learner in this class? What do you do when you don’t know what to do?
  • Impact of a student’s age on making learning visible
  • Three ways of making learning visible: student voice, student artefacts, test scores. He is interested in triangulating across these three sources, in how the teacher interprets that information, and how the teacher decides where to go next with a student’s learning. The same information from a student’s perspective is also important.
  • The love of learning follows, rather than precedes, learning.
  • Every curriculum subject has three parts (i) content, skills (knowing that…), (ii) relationships (knowing how…) and (iii) Transfer. Understanding all three parts is important. Typically 90% of learning is focused on content/skills. John Hattie believes it’s the balance across all three that matters. However, you can’t rush to the deep parts too quickly.
  • His views on learning styles
  • The missing piece of teacher education – looking at students’ learning
  • Research he did to develop the concept of “visible learning”
  • Changing the research question on teaching from “What works?” to “What works best?”
  • Why how teachers think matters more than what teachers do
  • Many teachers deny their expertise
  • When students do a test, the teacher should ask “What did I teach well and what did I not teach well?” What did I learn about which students gained from the teaching and which didn’t? What did I learn about how much I taught? Answering those questions helps teachers decide “where to” next.
  • Ask students to predict how they’ll do in a test? From age 8 on, they’re good at answering this question.
  • His research on feedback. Its impact on students can be variable, even from one day to the next.
  • What is important to look at is the feedback that is received by students (is it heard, understood and actionable?)
  • Why children after age 8 don’t like talking about their errors or what they don’t know…and why they might be more likely to do it through technology
  • The need to learn in groups
  • The value of asking a student how someone got something wrong
  • If you’re not getting things wrong, the work’s too easy
  • Why he dislikes a constructivist approach to teaching and its cousins (problem-based learning, and discovery learning). It’s all about timing and being deliberate.
  • He refers a few times to the card game Canasta.
  • The lack of support available to newly qualified teachers.
  • Evaluative thinking (diagnosis, intervention, implementation, evaluate) as the essence of the teaching profession
  • The difference between teacher as facilitator and teacher as activator (i.e. active listeners, active in the process about how students are going about their learning, intervening at the right time) and why he prefers the latter. Why students need experts.
  • Homework and student achievement. The nature of the homework matters. We can’t assume that students know how to learn.
  • He mentions other researchers in the podcast including: Gert Biesta, Shirley Clarke, Guy Claxton, and Graham Nuthall.

On this week's podcast I address the topic of academic integrity, a concern at all levels of the education system. My guest is Professor Diane Pecorari from the City University of Hong Kong, who is an expert in this area. Among the topics we discuss on the episode are the following:

  • Intertextuality – borrowing from earlier texts
  • Plagiarism involves deception
  • Plagiarism inside and outside education settings
  • Accidental “plagiarism” and the need to differentiate it from deliberate deception
  • Advocating a pedagogical response to plagiarism (punishing versus coaching and supporting)
  • How widespread plagiarism is in higher education settings
  • Causes of plagiarism
  • Students may feel inadequate to a task facing them because of the expansion of access to university education and increasingly educating students through a language that is not their own leading to plagiarism
  • Preventing plagiarism – rules, detection mechanisms, penalties; admitting students with proficiency in the language of instruction and with sufficient academic preparation for studying the subject they’re going to study; giving students the skills they need to use quotations and to develop their voices as writers.
  • Text-matching software such as Turnitin and Urkund. Risk of false positives and false negatives.
  • Deterring plagiarism through penalties
  • Patch writing (coined by Rebecca Howard) as a particular kind of plagiarism
  • Essay mills and contract cheating – challenges to detect. Risk of students being blackmailed or ripped off.
  • Predatory publishing and predatory conferences: no quality control mechanisms and whose sole purpose is to make a profit.
  • Avoid them by looking for journals in which authors you respect publish, look at who is on the editorial board, consider the proportionality of any fee that is requested and consider the time taken to have an article published.
  • Use this website to identify reputable journals.
  • How her interest in this area was sparked
  • English for Academic Purposes versus English as an additional language
  • Content of an English for Academic Purposes course
  • Hot topics in research on English for Academic Purposes
  • What schools are for
  • Academic Tribes and Territories by Tony Becher and Paul R. Trowler.
  • Methodical, patient clear teachers are what we all need.

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